Heren van Raaphorst

In De Nederlandsche Leeuw 1983, Van der Klooster sets out how Van Leiden, Van Wassenaar and Van Raaphorst sprote from Doede van Voorhout through his son Kerstant. John Ooms gives us at line of descendance. Who do we find if we search the Groesbeek Collectie (GC) and Oorkonden (OHZ)?

NL83

1. Kerstant Doedensz, drossaart van Holland, attested 1167-1189 (Koch, OHZ, 160,215,217,220), but never Van Raaphorst.
2. stamvader Dirk, attested 1221-1227
3. Kerstant, ridder, attested 1238, +1238 (v Gouthoeven)
4. Dirk, ridder, attested 1261, +20-8-1272
5. Kerstant, ridder, attested >1280, +1322
6. Dirk, ridder, attested 1328-1344

GC

• <1161 Kerstant Dodosz [van Raaphorst?], for the soul of his son Gerard
  • 1167 Gerardus dapifer [van Teylingen of van Raaphorst?]: G#124 has was succeeded for vT by H#143 before 1162, who could have had a son GHvT. Gerard son of Kerstant had died already, but could have had a son Gerard that succeeded him.
• Dirk 1220, 1227
• Gerard 1269
• Dirk 1261, 1267, 1272,
• Kerstant 1282, 1283, 1290, 1296, 1297, 1306, 1308, 1309, 1309 ridder, 1311 ridder wijlen Dirk vR
• Kerstant 1316, 1316, 1317, 1322 militem, 1322 his children +?, 1323 ridder, 1346 his children
• Gerrit 1295, 1297, 1303 ridder, 1303 ridder, 1306, 1309 ridder, 1311 daughters Hadewig+Armgard, 1311, 1311 ridder, 1317, 1319, 1320, 1320, 1320 x Jutte+, 1320 monk, 1321 milites, 1323 Kerstantsz, 1324, 1325 ridder +
• Clare 1316
• Hazetiaen/Hadewich Gerardsdr 1324, 1328,1335 x Alfer van der Horst, 1335, 1343, 1346
• Gerrit Kerstantsz 1328 ridder, 1330, 1330, 1333 x Agniese van Duvenvoorde, 1335 Agnes+ son Simon monk
• Gerard 1355, 1355 zoen
• Dirk 1289, 1328, 1334, 1338, 1343, 1344, 1346 x jvr Agniese, 1347 lijftocht, 1350, 1351 ridder, 1351, 1351 verbeurd, 1355 zoen, 1356
• Hasekine 1330 widow of Kerstant vR +1322
• Florens Gerardsz 1332 monk, 1351
• ver Agnes van Oudshoorn sister of Machteld (x?) van Raaphorst' 1333, her (Agnes'?) son Bartholomeus, his (Bart's?) sister x GvE, or Haaske, daughter of the lady Van Raaphorst (Machteld?); 1361 vrouwe vR (Machteld?); 1407 Adriaen vR
• Floris van Raaphorst, en zijn broers Kerstant en Wouter, kinderen van Gerard van Raaphorst 1351, 1356 baljuw
• 1352 Dirrick van der Dobben en Gheryt van Oestgheest of andere mombers van de kinderen van heer Dirric van Raephorst krijgen opdracht ver Machtilden van Outshoerne, vrouwe van Raephorst

Early tree NL83

NL83 has an early tree that can be extended with Willem van Voorhout, likely son of Dodo and brother of Kerstant

              Dodo van Voorhout
             /                 \
       Kerstant, drost (1)      Willem van Voorhout
      /          |         \                      \
Gerard +1161  Philips van   Dirk vRaaphorst (2)   WWvV
dapifer       Wassenaar       |
                            Kerstant (3)
                              |
                            Dirk (4)
                              |
                            Kerstant (5)
                              |
                            Dirk (6)

Putting dates to that... it would not be unlikely that Kerstant (1) would have had a son Dodo and a son Kerstant too, that would make 5 boys, and very likel several girls too. His son Gerard had become an adult and succeeded him as drost, but died before his father, likely rather young. If Kerstant was 60 in 1161, born 1101 married early 1122, and produced a 3rd son and 5th child by 1130, then Gerard would have died young, around 30yo. His brother Dirk (2) would have been younger still, 1135-1140, and would have just started his carreer around 1160. Is he is the Dirk 1220, 1227 he was likely born several years later even. Born 1150, he would have been attested 70-77 yo. I haven't spotted the Kerstant (3), who seems to have been spotted in/by Van Gouthoeven. Likely the oldest son, born ca 1175, would have died 63yo in 1238 then. That would make Dirk (4), another oldest son ca 1200 then. Respectable 61-72 you then, and hard to believe he'd be 1289. Kerstant (5), again oldest son, would then be born ca 1225, and he would have been 84 you in 1309. Seems we need to push all of their births a bit further to make that fit better, 1165, 1190, 1220, 1245 looks better.

So that would give guestimates, with deaths soon after last mention:

• K (1) 1110-1175 (65 yo) v1161
• D (2) 1140-1227 (87 yo) v1220,1227
• K (3) 1165-1238 (73 yo) v1238
• D (4) 1190-1272 (82 yo) v1261-1272
• K (5) 1220-1309 (89 yo) v1282-1309
• D (6) 1245

That would leave the 1289 to D6, have to put some others on him as well, I'll reshuffle GC a bit. Kerstant 1316-1323 and in 1346 his children would hardly fit K5, so there likely is another one still.

Fitting in the rest

• Gerard 1269 would have been of the same generation as Dirk (4). Could have been a grandson of G+1161, but he was never named Raaphorst and that would require a generation in between, easiest to assume either D2 named a son after his brother, who named a son after him self, so cousin of D4, or K3 named a son after his uncle. The latter requires the least postulated people, so that seems prefferable.
• Gerrit 1295-1325, if al the same person, is unlikely to be the same person as G1269, and seems most in sync with K5. He is named a son of K, likely 5, in 1323. But he could very well be son of a Kerstant?, son of G1269 named after K3, that would also solve the >1309 mentions. Then again, how would they have distinguised both Kerstants in the documents?

                            Kerstant (3)                            Kerstant (3)
                           /            \                           /            \
                     Dirk (4)        Gerard 1269                Dirk (4)        Gerard 1269
                        |                                          |                 |
                    Kerstant (5)                              Kerstant (5)        Kerstant? v1316-1323
                      /      \                                     |                 |
                Dirk (6)     Gerrit v1295-1325                  Dirk (6)           Gerrit v1295-1325

I think I prefer the variant on the right.

Then, Clare, v1316-1323, a hofstede she possibly lives in, no husband or children. A widow maybe? If she was born 1250, became widow 1316 at 66yo, and died 1323 73yo... she would most likely have been the wife of Kerstant (5), or his cousin.

Hazetiaen Gerardsdr is named her father's heir, seemingly only daughter, in 1324, and is married by 1328. Born before 1300, and by 1324 unlikely any more sons would follow? For now best fits Gerrit v1295-1325, but she might be attested past 1356, haven't looked that far yet.

Gerrit Kerstantsz v1328-1355... is not named Kerstantz everywhere, and it is unlikely al Gerrits v1295-1355 (and possibly later) are the same person. It seems Gerrit Kerstantsz had a son Gerard, and possibly even a grandson Gerard.

D(6), *c1245 maybe a decade later, could have been attested up to 1330 something if he lived to old age, but I can't make that stretch to 1356. Simplest solution would be to have him have a Dirk Dirksz. *c1280 and attested v1328-1356, being 76yo by then.

Hazekine +1322 widow of Kerstant would K(5) best, cause he died >1309, and the presumed Kerstant Gerardsz would have been attested in 1323 still. But Gerrit names a daughter Hazetiaen, so some attestations for Kerstant are likely mixed up.

Florens Gerardsz would be brother of Gerard and Hazetiaen, so would another Wouter and Kerstant be.

Let's draw again...

                            Kerstant (3)
                           /            \
                     Dirk (4)        Gerard v1269
                     v1261-1272          |
                        |                |      
                    Kerstant (5)     Kerstant? v1316-1323 x
                   v1282-1309 x      Hazekine +1322
                  Clare v1316-1323       |
                      /                  |                  
             Dirk (6) v1289-1328    Gerrit v1295-1335 x Agnes van Duvenvoorde
                    |                /           |           |           |        \
         Dirk Dz v1338-1356    Gerard v1355  Hazetiaen    Florens      Kerstant    Wouter
         x Agniese                           v1324-1346   v1332-1355   v1351       v1351
                                             x Alfer v Horst

That has a problem. In 1320 a Gerrit is a widow of a Jutte. He can hardly be Gerard v1269, brother of D(4) that died and old man shortly after 1272. He could be his grandson, but I have him married to AvD. He could have remarried, if he is of similar age as D(6) he could hardly have had a son Simon with her. So we'd need another Gerard then.

Haven't sunk my teeth in ver Agnes van Oudshoorn yet.

John Ooms

1. Kerstant Doedesz
2. stamvader Dirk, *1175-+1230
3. Kerstant, *1200-+1238
4. Dirk, *1230-+1272
5. Kerstant, *1260-+1320
6. Gerard, *1253-+1328, brother of Kerstant above

And Gerard married AvD and had Sophie, Dirk, Alida, Hadewij, Floris, Kerstant, Wouter No Simon, no Clare, no Jutte, no Hazekine. It was Dirk Gerardsz dat was father of another Dirk, Johanna and Bartholomeus, likely the one that appeared with ver Agnes van Oudshoorn.

Let's draw...

                    Kerstant (3)
                        |           
                     Dirk (4)        
                    /         \                
             Kerstant (5)     Gerard v1269-1325 x Agnes van Duivenvoorde
                           /    /        |        |       \       \      \
                    Dirk (6)  Kerstant  Hadewij  Floris  Wouter  Sophie  Alida
                    /
                 Dirk

Dirk(6) NL83, the (6) goes to Gerard here, would be 1280-1350, but who'd ahve been the D +<1311? We do not have a Gerrit Kerstantsz, and this single Gerard has to carry all attestations 1269-1355? A G *1253 could have been attested 1269. G v1328-1355 could have been a grandsons of Gerard then, most likely through Kerstant then. He would have been born 1275ish, and could have carried 1323, and anything after 1328, maybe even up to 1355.

Batavia Illustrata

• Kerstant, ridder, v1238
• Dirk and Gerrit, ridder, v1272. Melis Stoke wrote "Theodoricus de Raaphorst, & Gerardus frater ejus". Brothers.
• Gerrit, ridder, v1300, baljuw van Kennemerland, v1306, +1328 at age 75 x AvD, daughter of Arent x N. v Crayenhorst, brother Kerstant, ridder v1312, sister Catharina x Hugo van Velsen, brother of Gerrit the murderer. Gerrit has Dirk, Alijd x GGz vPoelgeest, Sophia x WWz vNaaldwijk, Hadewy vR vBloemenstein x Alferaan van der Hurst/Horst, daughter Lijsbeth x Wouter van Matenesse.
• Dirk son of the above G +1350 x Magtilt van Outshoorn, that would be the Oudshoorn entry then, had Dirk, Bartholomeus, Jenne aka Van Doortoge x Jan Jansz v Egmont. x Guidijn van Amstel.

Putting it al together

Assuming Melis Stoke, actually living at the time, was right, and Dirk and Gerard were brothers, v1272, they could only be sons of Kerstant v1238 (3) in NL83. So Dirk would be (4) in NL83, and Gerard would be his brother. That still leave both possibilities under Fitting in the rest, but it dismisses the John Ooms tree. Gerrit 1253-1328 x AvD could have been that same Gerard, brother Dirk (4), v1272 at 19yo. But if he was born when his father was 30yo, his father would have been born 1223, and then Kerstant would have been ridder at 15 then. If Gerard v1272 were a son of Gerard brother of Dirk (4)... then Gerard and Dirk (4) would have been born 1220ish, and Kerstant 1190ish, and that fits well with JO, and the list under NL83.

But we then still have a Kerstant +1309, and another Kerstant v1316-1323, and a Gerard Kerstantz. That would be solved in G1253-1328 were a grandson of G v1272 through a Kerstant Gerardsz. That would put Kerstant Gz at *1220ish, and G v1272 *1190ish, and K(3) 1160ish. That would put Gv1272 at 82yo, but it does fit the list in BL83 for K(3), but there is some room to manouevre.

                            Kerstant (3)      
                           /            \      
                     Dirk (4)        Gerard (4a) 
                        |               |
                    Kerstant (5)    Kerstant (5a)
                        |               |    
                   Dirk (6)         Gerard (6a)
                                /       |       \
                        Gerard (7a)  Dirk (7b)  Kerstant (7c)
                                     /      \
                               Dirk (8)  Bartholomeus

Other kids of (6a) left out for simplicity, and still leaves Dirk Gz that BI has.

And what about kids of D (6)? But I'd like to arrange the list of attestations to the above tree. Rereading NL83, it seems the stamreeks on p150 isn't necessarily father the son, but just succeeding lords of Raaphorst. The table on p191-192 names brothers Dirk and Gerard and states Dirk's line died out, but it does not say when. So possibly, Kerstant (5) and (5a) are the same person, and son of Gerard, and the only Dirk after Kerstant could be Gerardsz, so maybe there was no K(5), he was (5a), and D(6) was in fact a D(7b).

• Kerstant (3), (c1165-1238),
  • Dirk (4), (c1195-1272), 1261, 1267, 1272
    • Kerstant (5), (c1225-1309), 1282, 1283, 1290, 1296, 1297, 1306, 1308, 1309, 1309 ridder
      • Dirk (6), (c1245-), 1289
  • Gerard (4a), (c1200-), 1269
    • Kerstant (5a), (c1230-), any of (5)
      • Gerard (6a), (1253-1328), 1297, [1300], 1303, 1303, 1306, 1309, 1311,1311, 1317, 1319 1320, 1320, 1320, 1320 1321, 1323, 1324, 1325, +1333, +1334, +1335
        • Gerard (7a), (c1280-1350), 1330, 1330
        • Dirk (7b), (c1280-), 1328, 1334, 1343-1344
          • Dirk (8a), (c1310-), 1338, 1343, 1344, 1346, 1347, 1350, 1351, 1351, 1351, 1355, 1356
          • Bartholomeus (8b), 1333, 1355
        • Kerstant (7c), (c1280-), 1312 (BI), 1311, 1316, 1316, 1317, 1322 militem, 1322 his children +?, 1323, +<1346, 1350, 1350, 1351, 1355
          • Gerard (8c), 1328, 1355
        • Florens (7d) 1350, 1351, 1350
        • Simon (7e) 1355

One more tree, putting everyone in:

                            Kerstant (3)      
                           /            \      
                     Dirk (4)        Gerard (4a) 
                   x Hildegarde      x Aleid van Hillegersberg
                        |               |
                    Kerstant (5)    Kerstant (5a)
                    x Clare         x Hazekine +1322
                        |               |    
                   Dirk (6)         Gerard (6a) +1325 
                                    x Agnes van Duvenvoorde (+1335) 
                                /       |       \
                      Gerard (7a) x  Dirk (7b)  Kerstant (7c) Floris  Wouter Simon  Hazetiaen  Sophie  Alida  Armgard
                     Jutte (+>1335)  x Machteld        \
                                   van Oudshoorn      Gerrit (8c)
                                     /      \
                               Dirk (8a)  Bartholomeus (8b)
                               x Agniese

• 1311 heer Cristancius, ridder, aangewezen waren als teruggave voor wijlen Theodericus de Raporst, en hem en zijn erfgenamen daarvoor heeft gekweten. Seems to be about Kerstant van Raaphorst, and a deceased Dirk. Dirk (6) was still alive. Dirk (4) had been dead for 39 years. Would Kerstant (5a) have had a brother Dirk (5b?).
• Gerards wife Jutte dies 1320, Gerard dies 1325 and his wife Agnes van Duvenvoorde died 1335, that would have been different Gerards most likely.
• 1328: Alfer van der Horst en zijn vrouw Hadewych heer Gerritsdochter van Raephorst ... sterft zij kinderloos dan komt dit leen op Gheryt heer Kerstiaensz van Raephorst, ridder. Hazetiaan, daughter of (6a). Is she dies without children (didn't she have any yet?) if goes to Gerrit Kerstiaansz. Her father? But he died 3 years before that. Likely his grandson then, and then (7c) has a son Gerrit *<1328.
• 1355-05-03: zoen met Gheret van Raaphorst'. But if (7a) died in 1350... would that have been Gerrit Kerstantsz then?

But Hazekine (5a), Gerard (6a), Jutte (7a), spanning 3 generations and all dying in a timespan of 5 years does not fit comfortably still.

Spouses

(4a)

p104 Over huis Hillegersberg

...Inderdaad is het kasteel overgegaan op Aleida Stoop, echtgenote van Gerard van Raephorst. Een tachtig jaar later is burchtheer een zekere Kerstant van den Berge, uit het geslacht van beide voorgenoemden. Hij was getrouwd met een 'dochter van Dirk Bokel Uyternesse, de zuster dus van de bekende Daniël van Matenesse. Wanneer deze laatste sterft, zonder een zoon achter te laten, komen de bezittingen van Matenesse aan Dirk, een zoon van Kerstant...

uit: SPOREN VAN OUDE BEWONING IN HILLEGERSBERG door J. LENGKEEK

(7a)

ref. nr. 26.04.2004 NL1999k73, OV1979p191, OV1970p242, OBU,[40],[41],[42],[43] (zie info 299).

...-.- 1390: Hadewig, dochter van heer Gerard van Raaphorst, met ledige hand. Trouwt (2) Jutte de Vrese, weduwe van Alfaert van Lichtenberch (zoon van Jacob II heer Jacobs). [18.03.1332: Jutte, weduwe van heer Gerardt van Raephorst, ridder, verklaart mede namens haar kinderen geen recht te doen gelden op het huis en hofstede te Utrecht achter Sint Pieter, dat van wijlen haar broer heer Gerart Vrese was. Bezegeld door haar zoon Jacob Alfaertsz. van Lichtenberch: 3 lelies 2, 1 op een schild met geschulpte rand. Jutta, weduwe van Gerardus de Raephorst is op 03.02.1335 aanwezig bij de bevestiging van het testament van haar dochter Elisabeth van Lichtenberch].

https://hoegee.com/getperson.php?personID=I165420&tree=Hoegee

But Jutte did not die in 1320, like GC noted, according to his source.