De heren van Rijswijk - Bewerkingsoverzicht

Geneanvdp op 8 apr 2024 om 08:02

2024-04-08T08:02:20Z

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	* Hugo, supposedly Gerrit's younger brother by 29 years, was also lord of Heemskerk. He would have likely taken over after Gerrit's death in 1225 then. His wife is not known, his daughter Aleid married Willem III van Strijen according to JO (2c).		* Hugo, supposedly Gerrit's younger brother by 29 years, was also lord of Heemskerk. He would have likely taken over after Gerrit's death in 1225 then. His wife is not known, his daughter Aleid married Willem III van Strijen according to JO (2c).
	* Arend, lord of Rijswijk, married to Halewijne van Egmont, daughter of Wouter I, aka "Kwade Wouter", according to JO (2d).		* Arend, lord of Rijswijk, married to Halewijne van Egmont, daughter of Wouter I, aka "Kwade Wouter", according to JO (2d).
	* Machteld married Herbaren van der Woert and was mother of Jan Florisz, which is weird if his father was Herbaren, according to JO (2e). JO refers to [https://www.genealogieonline.nl/kwartierstaat-dietz/I14102.php Dietz on GO] for that, who has a son Floris III for them, who married Hadewich/Hazeke van Teylingen (I did see her as a supposed person based on naming in the elaborate piece by ..~~. PvL called it datamining...~~) daughter of W#202 and Agnes van Lynden, and has Jan Florens as grandchild.		* Machteld married Herbaren van der Woert and was mother of Jan Florisz, which is weird if his father was Herbaren, according to JO (2e). JO refers to [https://www.genealogieonline.nl/kwartierstaat-dietz/I14102.php Dietz on GO] for that, who has a son Floris III for them, who married Hadewich/Hazeke van Teylingen (I did see her as a supposed person based on naming in the elaborate piece by [https://research.rug.nl/en/publications/bouwsteen-en-toetssteen-een-overweging-van-de-bronnen-en-methoden/datasets/ Henri Jean Joseph Vermeulen]), daughter of W#202 and Agnes van Lynden, and has Jan Florens as grandchild.

	Arend is not to be confused with [http://johnooms.nl/heren-en-vrouwen-van-adel/van-heemskerck/ Gerrit's son, Arnoud, born 1235], 10 years after his father's death (2). Something does not add up here. The Gerritsz was married to Margaretha van Voorne, daughter of Dirk II x Alveradis van Cuijk, according to JO (2d).		Arend is not to be confused with [http://johnooms.nl/heren-en-vrouwen-van-adel/van-heemskerck/ Gerrit's son, Arnoud, born 1235], 10 years after his father's death (2). Something does not add up here. The Gerritsz was married to Margaretha van Voorne, daughter of Dirk II x Alveradis van Cuijk, according to JO (2d).

Geneanvdp op 8 apr 2024 om 07:59

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	Did he? And what did John base that statement on?		Did he? And what did John base that statement on?

	* Gerrit is likely the Gerardus de Theilingen attested in 1283 in #283, see Oorkonden above. He was supposedly lord of Heemskerk and married to a daughter of Arnoud van ~~Heusen~~, according to JO (2b).		* Gerrit is likely the Gerardus de Theilingen attested in 1283 in #283, see Oorkonden above. He was supposedly lord of Heemskerk and married to a daughter of Arnoud van Heusden, according to JO (2b).
	* Hugo, supposedly Gerrit's younger brother by 29 years, was also lord of Heemskerk. He would have likely taken over after Gerrit's death in 1225 then. His wife is not known, his daughter Aleid married Willem III van Strijen according to JO (2c).		* Hugo, supposedly Gerrit's younger brother by 29 years, was also lord of Heemskerk. He would have likely taken over after Gerrit's death in 1225 then. His wife is not known, his daughter Aleid married Willem III van Strijen according to JO (2c).
	* Arend, lord of Rijswijk, married to Halewijne van Egmont, daughter of Wouter I, aka "Kwade Wouter", according to JO (2d).		* Arend, lord of Rijswijk, married to Halewijne van Egmont, daughter of Wouter I, aka "Kwade Wouter", according to JO (2d).

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2023-10-26T08:21:35Z

List of names

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	No Jan. Arnoud, from the Loon War, must have been the dapifer, who would likely side with Ada, the oppointed heir.		No Jan. Arnoud, from the Loon War, must have been the dapifer, who would likely side with Ada, the oppointed heir.
			That is almost the same list as [#Sources Verkerk] finds.

			Trying to tie them together if found some suggestions:
	[https://www.myheritage.nl/site-family-tree-200554151/zwiebel Franco zoon van Godelt] x Ymma, en Godelt zoon van Deddo		[https://www.myheritage.nl/site-family-tree-200554151/zwiebel Franco zoon van Godelt] x Ymma, en Godelt zoon van Deddo
	[https://streekarchiefijsselmonde.nl/het-geslacht-van-voorschoten-later-van-cralingen-ambachtsheren-van-oost-ijsselmonde/ 1206-1217 Ogier van Voorschoten]		[https://streekarchiefijsselmonde.nl/het-geslacht-van-voorschoten-later-van-cralingen-ambachtsheren-van-oost-ijsselmonde/ 1206-1217 Ogier van Voorschoten]

Geneanvdp op 26 okt 2023 om 08:19

2023-10-26T08:19:55Z

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	Boudewijn Hugo, Willem 1230		Boudewijn Hugo, Willem 1230
	</pre>		</pre>

			==Arnoud and Lubbert==
			As we he have seen with Jan, there was [https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rijswijk#Geografie more than 1 Rijswijk] at then time, one in North-Brabant, one in Gelderland, but we are talking about the one in South-Holland. And there could have been more then one lord of v Rijswijk (source?). GB, and other sources, seems to think they are related to Voorhoud and maybe Van Egmond and Van Haarlem too. They likely all were, all lords were in one way or another.

			So there could be more than one Arnoud van Rijswijk, one the son of W#202 and ANOTHER the son of ... Dodo, Willem? Wikipedia speaks of a Jan who sided with WvH, just as W#149 did. Wouldn't his sons have too? The Arnoud on Wikipedia sided with Ada. Was he a son of #W202? In Oorkonden we find Arnold van Rijswijk, brother of Henricus. W#202 does not have a son Henricus, so it has to be another one. There is also a Arnold dapifer, Dirk Drossaard, brother of W#202, was also dapifer, the one called vR is never called dapifer and vice versa, but either could have been distinctive enough.
			Arnoud is also mentioned together with Jacob, Willem and Dirk (if Rietveld = Rijswijk). Dirk is brother of Lubbert, Lubbert is abt, and according to JO Lubbert was son of the Arnoud that was a son of W#202.
			Could all Arnouds be one and the same? Both dapifer and Van Rijswijk? Brother of Henricus, father of the abt Lubbert and of Dirk, and somehow related to Jacob, Willem and even Jan? So far no reason why not.
			But if '''that''' Arnoud was a son of W#202, than H would be too. Was he a half-brother, or a brother-in-law?

			==Chronoly==
			W#202 died in 1244 in my book, and was born around 1175. That would mean his children would have been born around 1200. No way his son Arnoud would be dapifer by 1203.
			Arnoud must have been born before 1180 and can't be a son of W#202 if his DoB stands. If Lubbert is son of Arnold (only by JO so far)... Lubbert is abt in 1216, unlikely he was younger than 26, so born before 1190, and he died 1226, if only 50yo then, he would have been born 1176.
			So the father of Lubbert was likely born around 1150, a generation earlier than W202 in my book.

Geneanvdp op 25 okt 2023 om 11:25

2023-10-25T11:25:28Z

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	While ~~researchign~~ [[De heren van Teijlingen]] I stumbled upon [http://johnooms.nl/heren-en-vrouwen-van-adel/heren-teylingen-en-brederode/ John Ooms (JO) stating] he had, besides Willem and Dirk who are found in [https://wiki.nvdp.net/wiki/index.php?title=De_heren_van_Teijlingen#Oorkondenboek_van_Holland_en_Zeeland several Oorkonden], and NL26 and in BI as well, more children:		While researching [[De heren van Teijlingen]] I stumbled upon [http://johnooms.nl/heren-en-vrouwen-van-adel/heren-teylingen-en-brederode/ John Ooms (JO) stating] he had, besides Willem and Dirk who are found in [https://wiki.nvdp.net/wiki/index.php?title=De_heren_van_Teijlingen#Oorkondenboek_van_Holland_en_Zeeland several Oorkonden], and NL26 and in BI as well, more children:

	sons Gerrit, Hugo and Arend, as well as a daughter Machteld.		sons Gerrit, Hugo and Arend, as well as a daughter Machteld.
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	* [https://books.google.nl/books?id=6CjPmeXIivsC&pg=PA72#v=onepage&q&f=false Oorkonden van Holland en Zeeland]		* [https://books.google.nl/books?id=6CjPmeXIivsC&pg=PA72#v=onepage&q&f=false Oorkonden van Holland en Zeeland]
	* [https://www.genealogieonline.nl/de/reeks-kornilliske-postma-en-johannes-de-vries/I16489.php GenealogieOnline.nl], and several others, have Dodo as father of Arnoud.		* [https://www.genealogieonline.nl/de/reeks-kornilliske-postma-en-johannes-de-vries/I16489.php GenealogieOnline.nl], and several others, have Dodo as father of Arnoud.

			The earliest Van Rijswijk I have found on Wikipedia is [https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rijswijk_(Zuid-Holland)#De_middeleeuwen Jan and Arnoud van Rijswijk]: ''Jan van Rijswijk koos daarin voor de zijde van Willem van Friesland, Arnoud van Rijswijk schaarde zich achter'': Jan sided with Willem during the Loon War, Arnoud with Ada. Unclear what their relation is, brothers, father/son, ...
			They must have been born before 1180 to be old enough to have participated in that war. Jan is not to be confused with [http://www.benvanrijswijk.com/genealogie/vanrijswijk1.htm Jan Heymansz van Rijswijck], who was born ca 1270, and related to the Van Arkel family, and belonged to a different Rijswijk in North-Brabant.

	===Oorkonden through [https://www.collectiegroesbeek.nl/zoek/?q=arnoud%20rijswijk&index=achternamen Groesbeek Collection]===		===Oorkonden through [https://www.collectiegroesbeek.nl/zoek/?q=arnoud%20rijswijk&index=achternamen Groesbeek Collection]===
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	* 1266 EvV, Gerardus/Ghelekinus vR?		* 1266 EvV, Gerardus/Ghelekinus vR?
	* 1277 Willem, miles		* 1277 Willem, miles

			No Jan. Arnoud, from the Loon War, must have been the dapifer, who would likely side with Ada, the oppointed heir.

	[https://www.myheritage.nl/site-family-tree-200554151/zwiebel Franco zoon van Godelt] x Ymma, en Godelt zoon van Deddo		[https://www.myheritage.nl/site-family-tree-200554151/zwiebel Franco zoon van Godelt] x Ymma, en Godelt zoon van Deddo

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2023-10-25T11:13:33Z

Oorkonden through Groesbeek Collection

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	Op p264 de Dodo zelf (geen kinderen).'''		Op p264 de Dodo zelf (geen kinderen).'''

	That was likely the Dodo II, father of Kerstant (~~Christantio~~), and Van Haarlem.		That was likely the Dodo II, father of Kerstant (Cristantio in #8, #13, #14, #16 above), and Van Haarlem.

	Serendipity: p273 has, according to a MS18307 from Brussels, a WvT (+1244) x Hedwig, daughter of Wouter van Egmond x Clementia van Gelre		Serendipity: p273 has, according to a MS18307 from Brussels, a WvT (+1244) x Hedwig, daughter of Wouter van Egmond x Clementia van Gelre
	p281 quotes: "3. Hetwige Egmond, espousa Guillaume de Teylingen, chevalier (fils de Hugue Teylingen et de la fille de Daniel Meerwede). Il mourut l’an 1244. *4"		p281 quotes: "3. Hetwige Egmond, espousa Guillaume de Teylingen, chevalier (fils de Hugue Teylingen et de la fille de Daniel Meerwede). Il mourut l’an 1244. *4"

			[abt Wouter] in #8 above, bought a lot more in that charter:
			''"Abbas Walterus emit a Wilhelmo, filio [https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_III_van_Voorne Hugonis et Hathewe], dimidiam fiertellam, jacentem in Velsen in loco, qui dicitur Smalegheest, persolventem viginti octo denarios.
			Abbas Walterus emit ab [https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_III_van_Voorne Hathewa, matre Wilhelmi, uxore Hugonis], pascuam duarum vaccarum, que jacet juxta pascuam, quam emerat ab [http://johnooms.nl/heren-en-vrouwen-van-adel/van-haarlem/ Everwacchoro, filio Galonis] (2)."''

			Everwach was granchild of Allard, abt.

	===List of names===		===List of names===

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2023-10-25T09:56:03Z

Oorkonden through Groesbeek Collection

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	# [https://www.collectiegroesbeek.nl/doc/1171328 1108-04-13]; [https://books.google.nl/books?id=6CjPmeXIivsC&hl=nl&pg=PA64#v=onepage&q&f=false v.d. Bergh I no 98] laici: Florentius comes Hollandiae, Galo et Ysebrandus, fratres ipsius abbatis, Dodo miles comitis et Theodericus filius ejus; ''Dodo was ridder en had een volwassen zoon Dirk in 1108. [https://books.google.nl/books?id=XWxKAQAAMAAJ&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&pg=PA48#v=onepage&f=false Nijhof/Muller] vermoeden Van Rijswijk.''		# [https://www.collectiegroesbeek.nl/doc/1171328 1108-04-13]; [https://books.google.nl/books?id=6CjPmeXIivsC&hl=nl&pg=PA64#v=onepage&q&f=false v.d. Bergh I no 98] laici: Florentius comes Hollandiae, Galo et Ysebrandus, fratres ipsius abbatis, Dodo miles comitis et Theodericus filius ejus; ''Dodo was ridder en had een volwassen zoon Dirk in 1108. [https://books.google.nl/books?id=XWxKAQAAMAAJ&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&pg=PA48#v=onepage&f=false Nijhof/Muller] vermoeden Van Rijswijk.''
	# [https://www.collectiegroesbeek.nl/doc/1171329 1108-06-26]; v.d. Bergh I no 99 Dudo de Furneholt (van Voorhout/van Rijswijk ?)		# [https://www.collectiegroesbeek.nl/doc/1171329 1108-06-26]; v.d. Bergh I no 99 Dudo de Furneholt (van Voorhout/van Rijswijk ?)
	# [https://www.collectiegroesbeek.nl/doc/1171330 1130-1161]; Bijdr Hist Gen XXI p 175, 1914 p 30, 24 abt Wouter van Egmond koopt voor 30 mark van Franco van Rijswijk en zijn broers, een stuk land in Poelgeest, dat ieder jaar 3 £ opbrengt; - dedit Berwoldo, ecclesiae advocato, 5 libras; - Cristantio filo Dodonis (van Voorhout/van Rijswijk ?) emit terram in Hemecekerke, 6 uncias en voor het zieleheil van zijn zoon Gerard land dat 3 uncias opbrengt; - 8 uncias in Eskmundelf en 4 in Forenholte pro anima Dodonis [van Rijswijk ?], pertinent ad capellam St Mariae in Hecmunda ''Dodo is overleden. Franco van Rijswijk had broers. Dodo had een zoon Kerstant (de vader van Philips I van Wassenaar).''		# [https://www.collectiegroesbeek.nl/doc/1171330 1130-1161]; [https://www.google.nl/books/edition/Bijdragen_en_mededeelingen/gRkKAAAAIAAJ?gbpv=1&pg=PA176&printsec=frontcover Bijdr Hist Gen XXI p 175, 1914] p 30, 24 [https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abten_van_Egmond abt Wouter] van Egmond koopt voor 30 mark van Franco van Rijswijk en zijn broers, een stuk land in Poelgeest, dat ieder jaar 3 £ opbrengt; - dedit Berwoldo, ecclesiae advocato, 5 libras; - Cristantio filo Dodonis (van Voorhout/van Rijswijk ?) emit terram in Hemecekerke, 6 uncias en voor het zieleheil van zijn zoon Gerard land dat 3 uncias opbrengt; - 8 uncias in Eskmundelf en 4 in Forenholte pro anima Dodonis [van Rijswijk ?], pertinent ad capellam St Mariae in Hecmunda ''Dodo is overleden. Franco van Rijswijk had broers. Dodo had een zoon Kerstant (de vader van Philips I van Wassenaar).''
	# [https://www.collectiegroesbeek.nl/doc/1171331 1130-1161]; [https://www.google.nl/books/edition/Bijdragen_en_mededeelingen/gRkKAAAAIAAJ?gbpv=1&pg=PA176&printsec=frontcover Bijdr Hist Gen jg 1914 p 31/Bijdr Meded XXI p 176]; quam aqua circumfluit, a Francone, dapifero comitis et fratribus ejus Alnotho et Wilhelmo et matre eorum Ymma ''Franco van Rijswijk is dapifer (Arnoud van Rijswijk later ook) en heeft broers Alnoth (Arnoud?) en Willem (mogelijk vader van Arnoud van Rijswijk, dapifer?).''		# [https://www.collectiegroesbeek.nl/doc/1171331 1130-1161]; [https://www.google.nl/books/edition/Bijdragen_en_mededeelingen/gRkKAAAAIAAJ?gbpv=1&pg=PA176&printsec=frontcover Bijdr Hist Gen jg 1914 p 31/Bijdr Meded XXI p 176]; quam aqua circumfluit, a Francone, dapifero comitis et fratribus ejus Alnotho et Wilhelmo et matre eorum Ymma ''Franco van Rijswijk is dapifer (Arnoud van Rijswijk later ook) en heeft broers Alnoth (Arnoud?) en Willem (mogelijk vader van Arnoud van Rijswijk, dapifer?).''
	# [https://www.collectiegroesbeek.nl/doc/1171332 1147]; Dodinus en Boudinus de Skinga ''Dodo en Boudewijn van Schengen, geen idee waarom dat een treffer op Rijswijk is.''		# [https://www.collectiegroesbeek.nl/doc/1171332 1147]; Dodinus en Boudinus de Skinga ''Dodo en Boudewijn van Schengen, geen idee waarom dat een treffer op Rijswijk is.''

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2023-10-25T09:34:42Z

List of names

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	* ~1145 Franco, dapifer, broers Alnotho, Wilhelmo en moeder Ymma		* ~1145 Franco, dapifer, broers Alnotho, Wilhelmo en moeder Ymma
	* 1162 Odger		* 1162 Odger
	* ~1175 Franco, cappelanus (geen vR)		* ~1175 [https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abten_van_Egmond Franco, cappelanus] (geen vR), werd waarschijnlijk abt in 1183
	* 1168 Wigerus, schout		* 1168 Wigerus, schout
	* 1199-1205 Arnoldus, dapifer, Heinricus, broer		* 1199-1205 Arnoldus, dapifer, Heinricus, broer
	* ~1216 Lubbert, abt vE, +5-12-1226		* ~1216 [https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abten_van_Egmond Lubbert I, abt vE], +5-12-1226
	* ~1212-1214 Arnold, Jacob		* ~1212-1214 Arnold, Jacob
	* 1213 Wilhelmus		* 1213 Wilhelmus
	* 1215 Lubbertus, abt, Arnulf		* 1215 [https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abten_van_Egmond Lubbertus (I), abt], Arnulf
	* 1215 Dirk, broer van L		* 1215 Dirk, broer van L
	* 1216 Arnoldus en Dirk (de Riethe, =Rietwijk?)		* 1216 Arnoldus en Dirk (de Riethe, =Rietwijk?)
	* 1222 Henricus abt vE, Gelekinus en Symon vR (vd Burgh?)		* 1222 [https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abten_van_Egmond Henricus abt vE], Gelekinus en Symon vR (vd Burgh?)
	* 1223 Ghelekinus		* 1223 Ghelekinus
	* 1224 Ghelekinus, miles		* 1224 Ghelekinus, miles
	* 1226 Reinerus		* 1226 Reinerus
	* 1227 Gelekinus, Simon		* 1227 Gelekinus, Simon
	* 1227 Henricus, abt, Reinerus		* 1227 [https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abten_van_Egmond Henricus, abt], Reinerus
	* ~1229 Golekum, edelen		* ~1229 Golekum, edelen
	* 1230 Arnoldus, abt, Gelekinus, monk		* 1230 [https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abten_van_Egmond Arnoldus, abt], Gelekinus, monk
	* 1230 Ghevekyn, Symon		* 1230 Ghevekyn, Symon
	* 1230 Gerardus aka Gehlekinus aks Ghelekyn, Simon vR aka vd Burch		* 1230 Gerardus aka Gehlekinus aks Ghelekyn, Simon vR aka vd Burch

Geneanvdp: /* Oorkonden through Groesbeek Collection */

2023-10-25T08:20:39Z

Oorkonden through Groesbeek Collection

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	# [https://www.collectiegroesbeek.nl/doc/1171329 1108-06-26]; v.d. Bergh I no 99 Dudo de Furneholt (van Voorhout/van Rijswijk ?)		# [https://www.collectiegroesbeek.nl/doc/1171329 1108-06-26]; v.d. Bergh I no 99 Dudo de Furneholt (van Voorhout/van Rijswijk ?)
	# [https://www.collectiegroesbeek.nl/doc/1171330 1130-1161]; Bijdr Hist Gen XXI p 175, 1914 p 30, 24 abt Wouter van Egmond koopt voor 30 mark van Franco van Rijswijk en zijn broers, een stuk land in Poelgeest, dat ieder jaar 3 £ opbrengt; - dedit Berwoldo, ecclesiae advocato, 5 libras; - Cristantio filo Dodonis (van Voorhout/van Rijswijk ?) emit terram in Hemecekerke, 6 uncias en voor het zieleheil van zijn zoon Gerard land dat 3 uncias opbrengt; - 8 uncias in Eskmundelf en 4 in Forenholte pro anima Dodonis [van Rijswijk ?], pertinent ad capellam St Mariae in Hecmunda ''Dodo is overleden. Franco van Rijswijk had broers. Dodo had een zoon Kerstant (de vader van Philips I van Wassenaar).''		# [https://www.collectiegroesbeek.nl/doc/1171330 1130-1161]; Bijdr Hist Gen XXI p 175, 1914 p 30, 24 abt Wouter van Egmond koopt voor 30 mark van Franco van Rijswijk en zijn broers, een stuk land in Poelgeest, dat ieder jaar 3 £ opbrengt; - dedit Berwoldo, ecclesiae advocato, 5 libras; - Cristantio filo Dodonis (van Voorhout/van Rijswijk ?) emit terram in Hemecekerke, 6 uncias en voor het zieleheil van zijn zoon Gerard land dat 3 uncias opbrengt; - 8 uncias in Eskmundelf en 4 in Forenholte pro anima Dodonis [van Rijswijk ?], pertinent ad capellam St Mariae in Hecmunda ''Dodo is overleden. Franco van Rijswijk had broers. Dodo had een zoon Kerstant (de vader van Philips I van Wassenaar).''
	# [https://www.collectiegroesbeek.nl/doc/1171331 1130-1161]; Bijdr Hist Gen jg 1914 p 31/Bijdr Meded XXI p 176; quam aqua circumfluit, a Francone, dapifero comitis et fratribus ejus Alnotho et Wilhelmo et matre eorum Ymma ''Franco van Rijswijk is dapifer (Arnoud van Rijswijk later ook) en heeft broers Alnoth (Arnoud?) en Willem (mogelijk vader van Arnoud van Rijswijk, dapifer?).''		# [https://www.collectiegroesbeek.nl/doc/1171331 1130-1161]; [https://www.google.nl/books/edition/Bijdragen_en_mededeelingen/gRkKAAAAIAAJ?gbpv=1&pg=PA176&printsec=frontcover Bijdr Hist Gen jg 1914 p 31/Bijdr Meded XXI p 176]; quam aqua circumfluit, a Francone, dapifero comitis et fratribus ejus Alnotho et Wilhelmo et matre eorum Ymma ''Franco van Rijswijk is dapifer (Arnoud van Rijswijk later ook) en heeft broers Alnoth (Arnoud?) en Willem (mogelijk vader van Arnoud van Rijswijk, dapifer?).''
	# [https://www.collectiegroesbeek.nl/doc/1171332 1147]; Dodinus en Boudinus de Skinga ''Dodo en Boudewijn van Schengen, geen idee waarom dat een treffer op Rijswijk is.''		# [https://www.collectiegroesbeek.nl/doc/1171332 1147]; Dodinus en Boudinus de Skinga ''Dodo en Boudewijn van Schengen, geen idee waarom dat een treffer op Rijswijk is.''
	# [https://www.collectiegroesbeek.nl/doc/1171333 1156] v.d. Bergh I no 133 Dodinus filius Elboldi (van Rijswijk ?) ''Dodo was overleden (hoewel, 1130-1161 kan ook later dan 1156 zijn), mogelijk gaat het dan hier om een kleinzoon via een zoon Elboldus.''		# [https://www.collectiegroesbeek.nl/doc/1171333 1156] v.d. Bergh I no 133 Dodinus filius Elboldi (van Rijswijk ?) ''Dodo was overleden (hoewel, 1130-1161 kan ook later dan 1156 zijn), mogelijk gaat het dan hier om een kleinzoon via een zoon Elboldus.''

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Names by estimated generation

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Regel 128:		Regel 128:
	If we'd put them all in arbitrary 30 year generations...:		If we'd put them all in arbitrary 30 year generations...:

	~~Remoted~~ latin suffixes and delatinized		Removed latin suffixes and delatinized. Assuming, to be attested one needs to be 30+ (succeeded father) and 60- (succeeded by son).
	Assuming, to be attested one needs to be 30+ (succeeded father) and 60- (succeeded by son)		Attempting to fit people in fixed generations, but not all attestations are dated exactly, forcefully making it fit.
	Attempting to fit people in fixed generations, but not all attestations are dated exactly, forcefully making it fit

	*1050 Hamulger, Godelt, ? x Ymma		*1050 Hamulger, Godelt, ? x Ymma